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#1 User is offline   sandiem 

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Posted 2020-October-23, 06:51

I think I am right in saying that I can now put a break in a Swiss Pairs event.
Could someone please confirm this before I make a horrible mess of it? :)
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Posted 2020-October-26, 10:45

View Postsandiem, on 2020-October-23, 06:51, said:

I think I am right in saying that I can now put a break in a Swiss Pairs event.
Could someone please confirm this before I make a horrible mess of it? :)

Ran one yesterday 8 rounds with a break after round 4 using command +break4+. It worked fine by adding time to the round before the break. It is supposed to add an hour but it only added about 40 minutes. See My link for more details.
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Posted 2020-October-28, 10:43

Were they 20-minute rounds? I think the break duration may include the time of the round leading into it (essentially it increases the time of round 4 to 60 minutes).

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Posted 2020-October-28, 14:09

Do BBO Swiss events use the same VP table as the EBU? Is there a way to turn off Danish?
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Posted 2020-October-29, 01:03

View PostVampyr, on 2020-October-28, 14:09, said:

Do BBO Swiss events use the same VP table as the EBU? Is there a way to turn off Danish?


Don't you already know the answers to this? It doesn't convert to VPs (which is a particularly British thing) and no, you can't set it to avoid re-matches.
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Posted 2020-October-29, 08:26

View Postgordontd, on 2020-October-29, 01:03, said:

Don't you already know the answers to this? It doesn't convert to VPs (which is a particularly British thing) and no, you can't set it to avoid re-matches.


ACBL uses VPs also
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Posted 2020-October-29, 08:47

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Posted 2020-October-29, 10:20

View Postgordontd, on 2020-October-29, 01:03, said:

Don't you already know the answers to this? It doesn't convert to VPs (which is a particularly British thing) and no, you can't set it to avoid re-matches.


I sort of knew, but I guess I didnít understand.

Using straight match points doesnít seem like a good idea; in regular Swiss Pairs, you can lose a match (or more than one in a long event) and still end up with a good result.

But rematches seems like a bigger problem. Did BBO not anticipate that most RAs would not want them?

I wasnít aware that the ACBL held Swiss Pairs. That is good news, because it always seemed like there was not much variety over there.
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Posted 2020-October-29, 11:08

View Postjnichols, on 2020-October-29, 08:26, said:

ACBL uses VPs also

For Swiss Pairs?
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Posted 2020-October-29, 11:12

View PostVampyr, on 2020-October-29, 10:20, said:

I sort of knew, but I guess I didn’t understand.

Using straight match points doesn’t seem like a good idea; in regular Swiss Pairs, you can lose a match (or more than one in a long event) and still end up with a good result.

You're looking at it from the point of view of how Swiss Pairs are run in the UK - long matches converted to VPs. But Swiss Pairs are also played with short rounds and then it makes far less sense to VP the results. When we run the Autumn Congress with a Swiss Pairs qualifier on the Friday, we run that as Swiss with 4-board rounds and no conversion to VPs.

View PostVampyr, on 2020-October-29, 10:20, said:

But rematches seems like a bigger problem. Did BBO not anticipate that most RAs would not want them?

BBO was not set up with RAs in mind. That's a very recent development.
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Posted 2020-October-29, 12:31

View PostVampyr, on 2020-October-29, 10:20, said:

But rematches seems like a bigger problem. Did BBO not anticipate that most RAs would not want them?

You rarely get rematches in large 8-board tournaments, which is all that people on BBO wanted prior to March.



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Posted 2020-October-30, 10:07

View Postgordontd, on 2020-October-29, 11:08, said:

For Swiss Pairs?


I think it is quite rare for ACBL, tournaments or clubs, to run Swiss Pairs.

I do run "Swiss Pairs" on occasion, but it is an unusual situation for a non-ACBL group. The players are not duplicate players. So, every table does a shuffle and deal every hand, 4 boards per round, rubber(?) bridge scoring. There is a VP scale in ACBLscore that converts those scores to VPs.
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Posted 2020-October-30, 12:26

View Postgordontd, on 2020-October-29, 11:12, said:

You're looking at it from the point of view of how Swiss Pairs are run in the UK - long matches converted to VPs. But Swiss Pairs are also played with short rounds and then it makes far less sense to VP the results. When we run the Autumn Congress with a Swiss Pairs qualifier on the Friday, we run that as Swiss with 4-board rounds and no conversion to VPs.


Is that new? I donít remember it, though I have played in the Autumn Congress many times.
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Posted 2020-October-30, 12:27

View Postgordontd, on 2020-October-29, 11:12, said:

BBO was not set up with RAs in mind. That's a very recent development.


Thatís true. But people in general do not like rematches.
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Posted 2020-October-31, 01:13

View PostVampyr, on 2020-October-30, 12:26, said:

Is that new? I donít remember it, though I have played in the Autumn Congress many times.

About five years.
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